Honor

[Shade]

Honor, code of conduct, chivilary, etc.



Is there a place for these anymore? When we where younger, many of us boys , and some girls, and some that we didnt know what the hell where, held honor as an important quality at one point. My dad, and alot of my beliefs taught me to respect courage, honor and chivilary. You know, stand up for what you believe in, protect those who can't defend themselfs, admit when your wrong, be honest, always keep your word, don't fuck someone over even if you can, take your enemy in your home and heal his wounds. stand up for what you believe in. be considerate and kind. And you are suppose to do all these things REGUARDLESS of how the other person is.



All these things have come from both east and western cultures but they really are the same thing. Lately im wondering if there is even a place for them in todays society. They are respected less and less, and often seen as a point of weakness, knowing the other person wont strike back. Do you bare the pain with pride knowing you are doing the right thing, even when the cost is high and you feel you are being wronged? Or do exact your vengence? How noble is it to sit there and take it, knowing you could easily turn the tables? I'm not perfect, but i've held very close to it as best as i have been able to for my whole life.



What do you think? does it really even matter anymore? Should it be adapted to the more modern world of dog eat dog, where you watch a guy get beat up for no reason, and dont get involved because its not your problem? Do you let your neihbor beat thier dog without doing something about it? Do you try to protect the guy, even if it means getting hurt or possably dieing? Do you stop the man beating his dog knowing it will start shit? Or do you just call the cops and let someone else take care of it? Because its not your job, or responsability. Even if it means the dog and the guy die? Do you just walk away and try to ignore it, because it doesn't effect you, or think it will change nothing? What are your views?

[badutahboy]

I believe in honor, ethics, chivalry and standards, but I also believe that you should treat people in a manner consistent with their actions. If someone else doesn't act with honor, I'm not bound to treat them with any honor or respect.

[Shade]

I believe in honor, ethics, chivalry and standards, but I also believe that you should treat people in a manner consistent with their actions. If someone else doesn't act with honor, I'm not bound to treat them with any honor or respect.

So your saying if a person does not act with honor your free to not be an honorable person in reguards to them? See thats where i always get caught. Is honor for yourself or dependant on others? It doesn't seem to be such an easy question to answer. Though i'm glad you brought up the other side of this thats in my head.

[InterStella]

Where the fuck do I start on this one?

If my neighbour was kicking his dog, I would tell him that he should try training the mutt in the proper manner instead, because he simply will not have that kind of shit 'kicked into him'. I'm a bit blunt like that.

See, the problem these days is that there is NO sense of community anymore, because it's usually your neighbours hoodied-fucked-up kids that are causing most of the problems.

I was always under the impression that you should stay friends with people in the community without letting our childrens little spats come between us.... but that is very difficult when THEIR kids are causing strife and humiliating people (usually the elderly or the very young) outside the local shop.

And - calling the dibble in is SOOoooo badly thought of around here that you WILL become a target of their annoyance. And, well, my porch is too nice to get wasted by a gang of lil' fuckers who's parents don't really give a shit.

And if you whollop the kid? The parents are round kicking the fucking front door in.




It would seem that things are going full circle, though. Dog-eat-dog is no longer acceptable. Tolerance is getting low, and soon (hopefully) the community will pull together and stop this shit.

[badutahboy]

So your saying if a person does not act with honor your free to not be an honorable person in reguards to them? See thats where i always get caught. Is honor for yourself or dependant on others? It doesn't seem to be such an easy question to answer. Though i'm glad you brought up the other side of this thats in my head.

I think Honor, like trust, is earned. If someone has shown that they're not honorable, it doesn't mean I should drop to their level, it just means that they don't get the priveledges of honor.. When dealing with someone dishonorable, I don't try to screw them just as bad as they're screwing me, I just make it very clear where they stand with me, and I'm super cautious in anything I involve them in.

[Negativecool]

My random thought:
Honor and respect go hand in hand for me. Some "really nice people" (read: gay liberal hippies) think everyone deserves respect no matter what. I believe that respect is earned. If a person isn't honorable, I don't respect them. I cannot respect that which is without honor...'n' stuff.



Mmmkay?:yociexp38:

[KommieKat]

Ever been to Japan? Want to see "honor and chivalry"? Go there. It's on display daily, free for the public.

[Shade]

Ever been to Japan? Want to see "honor and chivalry"? Go there. It's on display daily, free for the public.

Aye, it's why i've always loved the japanese culture. being honorable is one of the most respected traits.


And - calling the dibble in is SOOoooo badly thought of around here that you WILL become a target of their annoyance. And, well, my porch is too nice to get wasted by a gang of lil' fuckers who's parents don't really give a shit.

And if you whollop the kid? The parents are round kicking the fucking front door in.

It would seem that things are going full circle, though. Dog-eat-dog is no longer acceptable. Tolerance is getting low, and soon (hopefully) the community will pull together and stop this shit.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. The honorable thing would be to either correct the kids or talk to the parents. Now a days a parent gets more pissed when someone corrects their kid then the kid doing it. Parents feel it's an insult, thing is if the kid is doing something wrong they should be corrected in some fashion. Sometimes parents miss it, or don't think its a big deal. Some of those times it is.

What it seems like is that it is more and more diffacult to stand up for what you believe in. Your saying you wont do that anymore because the little shits will bomb your pourch. If you stand up for yourself, the kid will bomb the pourch, no one will say anything or get pissed or try to stop them UNLESS it's happening or happened to them. Which isn't the way it use to be. And because everyone now ignores everyone else and justifies their actions, it's pointless to even say something.

Though i'm curious to see it come full circle on a wider scale. At some point some generation is going to have to be incharge of putting honor back. There's gotta be a reckoning. Where guy's see someone doing something dishonorable and go kick the shit out of him, or when girls see another girl being dishonorable and exclude them or beat the shit out of them. There needs to be ass kicking. I'm a firm believe that ass kicking solves nothing. The promise of a future ass kicking tends to solve alot.

[Fishypancake]

Time changes people, and people change time. There is no way to stop the fact that when things change, sometimes it is for good. Its a your world, and I think that if you are that bothered by what everyone else is doing, thinking, and saying then your life must not be too good [not directed at anyone]. I do not think that it is right to literally watch sombody doing something harmfull to another person, and just watch them do whatever the hell they want. I do not know anyone that passive. If my neighbor was sexually molesting his dog in my yard, after I took the pictures for the internet, I would turn him in. Its using common sence. If it is late at night, and I walk by a guy getting his ass kicked by 3 guys, I am going to pretend like I did not see anything. Thats just common sence. Adapt to it, I guess.

In short
Lifes hard, Get a helmet.

[Mamba]

Aye, it's why i've always loved the japanese culture. being honorable is one of the most respected traits.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. The honorable thing would be to either correct the kids or talk to the parents. Now a days a parent gets more pissed when someone corrects their kid then the kid doing it. Parents feel it's an insult, thing is if the kid is doing something wrong they should be corrected in some fashion. Sometimes parents miss it, or don't think its a big deal. Some of those times it is.

What it seems like is that it is more and more diffacult to stand up for what you believe in. Your saying you wont do that anymore because the little shits will bomb your pourch. If you stand up for yourself, the kid will bomb the pourch, no one will say anything or get pissed or try to stop them UNLESS it's happening or happened to them. Which isn't the way it use to be. And because everyone now ignores everyone else and justifies their actions, it's pointless to even say something.


The problem here is a complete lack of discipline on the parent side, and complete lack respect on the child's side. I firmly believe if a child is acting up it is the fault of the parent who is either too stupid or lazy to do anything about it.

A lot of parents nowadays turn a blind eye to what their children get up to because they don't want the stress, don't care about the child, believe that it is "okay" or in some extreme cases, will never tell a child what they are doing is wrong because they don't want to be hated or feared, only loved by their child.

I see this logic as completely warped because how can I child love what they do not respect?

A long time ago, I attempted to talk to one of my friends about his child, who was behaving intolerably, with zero respect towards both of his parents but my friend simply would not listen to me. I am not saying that I know everything there is to know about parenting, because that would certainly be a lie - but I do know one thing, and that is children need to be taught about boundaries and have respect instilled into them from a VERY early age.

Then they will not be fucking hooligans when they are older, without a care in the world for anyone but them themselves, leading deadbeat lives because they never bothered to get a proper education and their parents were too stupid or lazy to guide them along their road in life and give them the support, discipline, encouragement and attention they needed.


Though i'm curious to see it come full circle on a wider scale. At some point some generation is going to have to be incharge of putting honor back. There's gotta be a reckoning. Where guy's see someone doing something dishonorable and go kick the shit out of him, or when girls see another girl being dishonorable and exclude them or beat the shit out of them. There needs to be ass kicking. I'm a firm believe that ass kicking solves nothing. The promise of a future ass kicking tends to solve alot.

The problem here is too many people turn a blind eye to what is happening outside "their world".

They see it as happening to someone else, therefore they don't equate it as important.

I remember the case of James Bulgar, that two year old in England that two degenerates (and they were CHILDREN) abducted from a shopping centre and murdered on a railway. Do you know, they walked across a big field, after beating this toddler within an inch of his life, and he cried all the way... and about 20 people came forward and said they had SEEN the boys dragging along the toddler with blood on his head, crying pitifully AND YET HAD DONE NOTHING????????

They had simply closed their curtains and shut it out and gone back to their cosy little lives. If ONE of those people had done something, that child might be alive today!!

And that's just ONE case of absolute IGNORANCE out of millions.

And what's even MORE FUCKED UP is these children, these degenerate child-killers, were given ABSOLUTE ANONYMITY.

How's that for fucking honourable justice?

[Mamba]

What do you think? does it really even matter anymore? Should it be adapted to the more modern world of dog eat dog, where you watch a guy get beat up for no reason, and dont get involved because its not your problem? Do you let your neihbor beat thier dog without doing something about it? Do you try to protect the guy, even if it means getting hurt or possably dieing? Do you stop the man beating his dog knowing it will start shit? Or do you just call the cops and let someone else take care of it? Because its not your job, or responsability. Even if it means the dog and the guy die? Do you just walk away and try to ignore it, because it doesn't effect you, or think it will change nothing? What are your views?

It definitely DOES mattter and it will change EVERYTHING.

Imagine how much less crime there would be if people actually thought if they tried to mug someone a passer-by would fucking leap on them and beat the shit out of them?

Imagine that every time this guy goes to beat his dog, his neighbours jump on him and beat him?

I bet he'd do it a lot less! In fact, I'd even bet he stops doing it.

Why? People don't like to be punished. Simple as.

The problem is NOBODY is doing enough punishing and everyone is getting off SCOTT-FREE!

The man you see beating his dog has probably done it 20 times before! And why does he keep doing it? Because no one fucking stopped him!

Why does the man beat his wife? Because he can. Because nobody has fucking stopped him. You'd have to be a CUNT to see a man beating his wife and not do a thing to stop it!

People are too selfish, nowadays. Too out for themselves. And that is what is turning the world to shit. Greed, selfishness, ignorance and corruption on all sides.

[Mamba]

Honor, code of conduct, chivilary, etc.

Is there a place for these anymore? When we where younger, many of us boys , and some girls, and some that we didnt know what the hell where, held honor as an important quality at one point. My dad, and alot of my beliefs taught me to respect courage, honor and chivilary. You know, stand up for what you believe in, protect those who can't defend themselfs, admit when your wrong, be honest, always keep your word, don't fuck someone over even if you can, take your enemy in your home and heal his wounds. stand up for what you believe in. be considerate and kind. And you are suppose to do all these things REGUARDLESS of how the other person is.

All these things have come from both east and western cultures but they really are the same thing. Lately im wondering if there is even a place for them in todays society. They are respected less and less, and often seen as a point of weakness, knowing the other person wont strike back. Do you bare the pain with pride knowing you are doing the right thing, even when the cost is high and you feel you are being wronged? Or do exact your vengence? How noble is it to sit there and take it, knowing you could easily turn the tables? I'm not perfect, but i've held very close to it as best as i have been able to for my whole life.



Sorry, but it's late at night and I'm just seeing more that I'd like to add to.

Firstly, taking your enemy into your home to heal his wounds is relative. There are ones you might, and there are ones you definitely would not.

There is one enemy in my life who I would never speak to again, let alone take him into my house if he had any wounds.... I'd probably pour salt out of a window.

So, bollocks to that. I am not Jesus and I don't wish to die for other people's sins, nor do I wish to forgive those who wronged me dreadfully. I know I ought to, but I don't want to.

I never said I was perfect.

On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for "taking the high road" and not exacting your revenge, but merely "letting go" of whatever ill they caused you and carrying on your merry way as if nothing had happened. This, is obviously the best option, but a lot of people find it damn near impossible when they have been hurt to such a deep extent.

It would be VERY noble if I happened upon a girl who had broken her leg in the street, then I , coming to her aide realised that she had stolen my boyfriend the previous year... and knowing all this, tended to her and called an ambulance.

I've never happened upon that situation as yet, but I would tend to her. She's a human being after all and what she did was not particularly worthy of such suffering. It would be callous to leave her bleeding in the street.

[Shade]

The problem here is a complete lack of discipline on the parent side, and complete lack respect on the child's side. I firmly believe if a child is acting up it is the fault of the parent who is either too stupid or lazy to do anything about it.

A lot of parents nowadays turn a blind eye to what their children get up to because they don't want the stress, don't care about the child, believe that it is "okay" or in some extreme cases, will never tell a child what they are doing is wrong because they don't want to be hated or feared, only loved by their child.

I see this logic as completely warped because how can I child love what they do not respect?

A long time ago, I attempted to talk to one of my friends about his child, who was behaving intolerably, with zero respect towards both of his parents but my friend simply would not listen to me. I am not saying that I know everything there is to know about parenting, because that would certainly be a lie - but I do know one thing, and that is children need to be taught about boundaries and have respect instilled into them from a VERY early age.

Then they will not be fucking hooligans when they are older, without a care in the world for anyone but them themselves, leading deadbeat lives because they never bothered to get a proper education and their parents were too stupid or lazy to guide them along their road in life and give them the support, discipline, encouragement and attention they needed.


I completely agree with this 100%. I think parents forget that children growing up to hate there parents is part of childhood. There not suppose to like being punished or told what to do, but its a part of life. The problem here is it's getting worse. I think when a child misbehaves it is the childs choice. I think the parents need to guide that choice to what is acceptable. It seems more and more is acceptable. I think the only way it will change is if either the parents finally wise up, and i see nothing being able to do that. Or it becomes socially acceptable to beat the shit out of a kid because he felt it was funny to spit in your face. or pressing criminal charges. As it stands now, you can have 10 grams of coke at age 17 go to jail and get out when your 18. You can smash a few cars and steal em, and when you hit 18 you get a new life. I dont think punishing the parents will do any good. I think punishing the kids will.


The problem here is too many people turn a blind eye to what is happening outside "their world".

They see it as happening to someone else, therefore they don't equate it as important.

I remember the case of James Bulgar, that two year old in England that two degenerates (and they were CHILDREN) abducted from a shopping centre and murdered on a railway. Do you know, they walked across a big field, after beating this toddler within an inch of his life, and he cried all the way... and about 20 people came forward and said they had SEEN the boys dragging along the toddler with blood on his head, crying pitifully AND YET HAD DONE NOTHING????????

They had simply closed their curtains and shut it out and gone back to their cosy little lives. If ONE of those people had done something, that child might be alive today!!

And that's just ONE case of absolute IGNORANCE out of millions.

And what's even MORE FUCKED UP is these children, these degenerate child-killers, were given ABSOLUTE ANONYMITY.

How's that for fucking honourable justice?

See that exactly what i'm talking about. I would be in a dead fucking sprint. If i didnt want to come off as accusing em i would atleast say let me call an ambulence, or some how get in between it. The attidute of 'it doesn't effect me' is rampent. I agree with that. It seems no one gives a shit that your window got broken, or this or that happened to you, up until it happens to them. Then they scream justice.

The thing is i don't think it goes just with crimes either. Its a mentality. Lets say you see your best friends wife cheat on him. You think, i'll just stay out of it, because i don't want to get involved and ruin friendships. Then lets say you find out that your husband has been cheating on you. Then you become the first person who says 'YOU SHOULD OF FUCKING TOLD ME!!! I'M YOUR FRIEND!! I DISERVED TO KNOW!!' and its in caps because momba, you would totally spaz like that.

I think it boils down to a giant lack of compasion. Forgeting to put on someone elses shoes. Because i wonder how many of those people who did nothing would of actually done something if they really thought for a minute 'what if that was my child'. How many parents would let there kids be retards if they saw another kid acting like theres and realize 'This is what other people are talking about'.

[Firestorm]

Chivalry is not dead. I personally have a code of conduct that I live by and it has served me well.

Some of the basics:

I never give advice to fighting couple. No matter the issue, nothing you say is going to make it better and you're going to end up being the asshole to one or both of them, especially if they later make up.

I'm a live and let live kind of person. There are a few exceptions. If you beat an animal for no reason, I'm going to get in your face. No, the wife pissing you off is not a good enough reason to beat the dog. Same applies to kids. I can respect discipline, but child abuse is a whole other issue. I don't believe any man should hit a woman in anger. I have no fear of confronting an abusive asshole and have done so on more than one occasion.

I believe in being honest, but if a little white lie will spare your feelings, I'll consider it. I generally don't fuck people over or try to take advantage of them, in the long run karma will bite you on the ass if you do.

I have to admit that my belief system has had to adapt or change over the past 20 years, adapting to changes in society and its norms, etc, but my core beliefs have never changed.

[KommieKat]

People who already lack common sense and courtesies will also lack in honor and chivalry.

They tend to go hand in hand in my opinion.

If a person can't even hold the damn door open at the department store, how can they exhibit honor except for their own selfish wants?

[Assinhat]

In modern times I believe a prickly sort of honor is needed.
Help somebody when they're down, but if they try to take advantage of you, warn them, then cut them out of your life.

It seems most people see others as disposable these days, so it's usually not too difficult to get rid of someone.* Especially after you order their wife or parents a transvestite strip-o-gram.

* I am aware of the irony.
I just mean if you can find someone worth keeping around, do whatever is necessary to keep them around, but watch your ass.
Nobody but you really has your best wishes at heart, with maybe the exception of your mom.